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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:34 am 
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yoderj@cox.net wrote:
Reading this entire thread, I think I saw that there are two models. The website your reference is taking "reservations" for the camera.


Yes, the regular IR will come out first, hopefully late October, followed by the black flash model...not sure how much later.

"Reservations"...I'm glad there are some adventurous souls who like to be first on a new product. :mrgreen:

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I wish these releases would time better for the deer season!! We need the best cool new cams by August to put into good practical scouting use!!

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:14 pm 
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I wish these releases would time better for the deer season!! We need the best cool new cams by August to put into good practical scouting use!!



that would be too practical and make common sense..

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I don't know how far along they are with the development but they should really re-think using c-cell batteries. One of the best things in my opinion of the scoutguard family of cams was that they used AA's.

I absolutely hated using c-cells in my old stealths.

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ok, I'm not a novice to trail cameras, but I'm not familiar with the term "black flash". Is this in reference to what I know as IR?

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TexasDefender wrote:
I don't know how far along they are with the development but they should really re-think using c-cell batteries. One of the best things in my opinion of the scoutguard family of cams was that they used AA's.

I absolutely hated using c-cells in my old stealths.


agreed..
if everything works like it is supposed to i will have to get 2 or 3 :lol: i love my scoutguards and this thing is like a super scoutguard(new name? :lol: )sound,more Leds(brighter),more memory(BIGGGG + for me,less times to check it),password protection,temperature and moon phase(never had it but it would help alot)...i think just those things are worth 80 bucks more then a regular scoutguard...

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:58 pm 
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turkeyhunter wrote:
ok, I'm not a novice to trail cameras, but I'm not familiar with the term "black flash". Is this in reference to what I know as IR?



There are 3 types of IR flash:

1) Red (you can see the red glow when you look at it going off)
2) Black (you can not see the red glow - completely invisible)
3) Low Glo - variant of "red" but much dimmer

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TexasDefender wrote:
I don't know how far along they are with the development but they should really re-think using c-cell batteries. One of the best things in my opinion of the scoutguard family of cams was that they used AA's.

I absolutely hated using c-cells in my old stealths.




While reading the specs I thought the same thing. Why C cells?????????

My scoutguard with AA's lasted the entire late summer and fall deer season and the spring turkey season. Took more pictures on that set of batteries than you can imagine.

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C cells are about 6000 mah where as aa's are around 2000 mah, therefor 4 c cells will last 3 times as long as 4 aa's. The bigger reason may be the amperage that is needed for the array. the c cells have much more amps than the aa's and can handle the drain, the aa's might not be able to keep up with the demand of the camera. This is just a guess of course but may be the reason, the c cells should hold up better in colder weather too.

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C cells are about 6000 mah where as aa's are around 2000 mah, therefor 4 c cells will last 3 times as long as 4 aa's. The bigger reason may be the amperage that is needed for the array. the c cells have much more amps than the aa's and can handle the drain, the aa's might not be able to keep up with the demand of the camera. This is just a guess of course but may be the reason, the c cells should hold up better in colder weather too.


You learned all that from doin homebrews didn't ya? :mrgreen:

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BamBam65 wrote:
It has all of the things we want. But if it were so easy to do, you'd think one of the other 10 companies over the last few years would already have done it ???


Why do that when us consumers are too damned stupid to demand improvements? HCO has proven that the claims by the major cam makers that they can't make a cam with more or better functionality at a reasonable price was a bald faced lie. Yet, we idiots who are too stupid to see the truth, continue to buy their overpriced and underfunctioned products because we allow them to rest on their laurels.

It is time that we, as consumers pull our heads out of the sand and make it clear to the cam companies that we have had enough of their lies and want good products with REAL improvements ata decent price. The alternative would be to buy from the very few companies who actually are meeting our demands.

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Roscoe wrote:
johnnydeerhunter wrote:
C cells are about 6000 mah where as aa's are around 2000 mah, therefor 4 c cells will last 3 times as long as 4 aa's. The bigger reason may be the amperage that is needed for the array. the c cells have much more amps than the aa's and can handle the drain, the aa's might not be able to keep up with the demand of the camera. This is just a guess of course but may be the reason, the c cells should hold up better in colder weather too.


You learned all that from doin homebrews didn't ya? :mrgreen:


That and a few other things too :wink: :mrgreen:

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C cells offer much time and amp for a lower cost than AA cells. I agree.


That's someting true about what foxtail says.
- reasonable price
- well functioned products (specially for me who lives in Europe!
When I must send back 3 it just cost 3 x 30 $ !!!)

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I still don't figure the reason they didn't bend the ir array slightly, the would project the lighting a lot more and better it seems. But I'll still buy 1.
Is this the color they'll be, just the camera itself on display, or will they be camo when they're finally for sale?


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Are yall certain that mounting bracket doesn't come with the camera because it doesn't seem to have a place for the strap otherwise.


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