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What is the best Wi-Fi/Cellular Trail Camera for the money?
1.) HCO Scoutguard SG580M 35%  35%  [ 7 ]
2.) Ltl. Acorn 20%  20%  [ 4 ]
3.) Covert Special Ops 25%  25%  [ 5 ]
4.) Other Brand (Please name) 20%  20%  [ 4 ]
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:17 am 
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I am looking to get a Wi-Fi/Cellular Trail Camera and have read a lot about Ltl. Acorn and Covert Special Ops. I have read that the Ltl. Acorn has a problem with batteries time and design problems and that the Covert Special Ops has problems with sending pics even in good coverage areas.

I just found out a little bit about HCO Scoutguard Cameras and there appears to be two of them but I cannot tell the difference in them besides the price. Does anyone know the difference and which one is the better camera?

Also, apparently DLS Covert Special Ops is coming out with a "Code Black" model soon that might be worth waiting for.


I am looking for a camera in the $200-$350 range. I have AT&T and good coverage in my area. I guess my choices are:



1.) HCO Scoutguard SG580M

2.) Ltl. Acorn

3.) Covert Special Ops

4.) Other Brand (please name)






1.) Do you know of any brands and models that I haven't mentioned in that price range?




2.) What is the best Wi-Fi/Cellular Trail Camera in that price range?

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We are testing the new LTL6210 MM now. Uway is introducing some new models in March. You might wait on those before making a final decision. Neither of these have Wifi. I think the Pix Controller unit was the only one we tested that had Wifi.

Does anyone know if SmartScouter has a Wifi ?

BuckEyeCam uses a proprietary radio (not wifi) to communicate with its base station(s) which includes a PC base station, a second Camera, and a Cellular base Station but I do not think it does Wifi either.

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Anthony wrote:
We are testing the new LTL6210 MM now. Uway is introducing some new models in March. You might wait on those before making a final decision. Neither of these have Wifi. I think the Pix Controller unit was the only one we tested that had Wifi.

Does anyone know if SmartScouter has a Wifi ?

BuckEyeCam uses a proprietary radio (not wifi) to communicate with its base station(s) which includes a PC base station, a second Camera, and a Cellular base Station but I do not think it does Wifi either.




I meant cellular/mms I guess. Not wi-fi. I want to use AT&T with it. I guess I should wait. Is Uway better then Scoutguard and Ltl. Acorn?


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Better is in the eye of the beholder.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:20 pm 
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Anthony wrote:
Better is in the eye of the beholder.




True but basics and pro cons are important. If a camera is "un-reliable" I'm sure most would say it is not better. Some things aren't subjective.



I'm looking for a cellular/mms camera for AT&T that is reliable, has good/great battery life, durable, takes good pictures day and night, and transmits photos well.


I have read that Ltl. Acorns have had problems with design and hat Scoutguards have had problems sending pics even in good cell coverage. Do you know if any of this is true?


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My hunting buddies have been asking me "Which camera should I buy to get pictures sent to my phone and email?"

In my opinion, a transmitted picture size of 320 x 240 is not good enough to be of any real value. Of the 2011 cameras, the LTL Acorn is the only camera that will send a 640 x 480 picture, but it only does so in low light conditions. The Ltl Acorn sends the smaller size 320 x 240 pictures when it's bright outside.....So if you're buying today, get a Ltl Acorn.

As you've discovered, there are many new models of MMS cameras coming to the market in the Spring of 2012. My advice is wait to see how the 2012 models review and then make your purchase decision.

I expect that we will find that the 2012 Covert Code Black will be a top contender.

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My SG580M will work where the cell signal is weak, the Acorn won't work with a weak cell signal.

I think the SG580M is a better camera, but the small pictures are practically worthless.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:38 pm 
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T-post wrote:
My SG580M will work where the cell signal is weak, the Acorn won't work with a weak cell signal.

I think the SG580M is a better camera, but the small pictures are practically worthless.




Is it only a better camera bc it sends photos with weak cell coverage?




Is the new Covert going to send larger photos?


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SG550M/580M has the capability to send 640x480 images (always!) to email/phone since october 2011.

The upgraded SG550M-8M can now send 800x600 to email (640x480 to phone) via MMS and GPRS with improved success rate, plus the long range detection/illumination and and high quality 8MP resolution.


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Scoutguard_QA wrote:
SG550M/580M has the capability to send 640x480 images (always!) to email/phone since october 2011.

The upgraded SG550M-8M can now send 800x600 to email (640x480 to phone) via MMS and GPRS with improved success rate, plus the long range detection/illumination and and high quality 8MP resolution.



How do you get an upgraded on?


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It has been selling in Europe from December, 2011. The first vendor to sell in north America is here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SG550M-8M-2012- ... 256bd9cc5e


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Anthony,

Please correct me if I'm wrong here (you can check IPs and such), but our friend Scoutguard_QA here seems suspiciously like geographer who was posing as and end user over on the QDMA trail camera forum.

Here is the thread where he was outed: http://www.qdma.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46342

Just be sure who you are dealing with!

I think we have a self-licking ice cream cone here :mrgreen:


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hedp wrote:
Scoutguard_QA wrote:
SG550M/580M has the capability to send 640x480 images (always!) to email/phone since october 2011.

The upgraded SG550M-8M can now send 800x600 to email (640x480 to phone) via MMS and GPRS with improved success rate, plus the long range detection/illumination and and high quality 8MP resolution.



How do you get an upgraded on?

On January 6, 2012, I emailed HCO and asked them about this. Here is their response:


Hi Pat,

There is no firmware update that allows the SG580M to transmit larger pictures. You can choose the number of MPs you want for the photos and they will be stored on the SD card in that size. But the photos are sent at a lower MP (than what you set in the camera) to your phone, otherwise it would take a long time to download each photo to your phone.
The images size/resolution which are sending wirelessly are preset and can't be set from user end. It's just the limitation of the wireless network transit speed. The increase of the image size may cause the image to take more time to be sent. It also consumes more power and increases the possibility of sending failure.

Best regards,
Charlene Williams

HCO Outdoor Products

http://www.hcooutdoors.com/
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Norcross GA 30071
770-582-0004

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:23 pm 
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The manufacturer does not provide Firmware upgrade for wireless cameras, unless the changes are minor. The problem is that too many components are changed by the suppliers, it is hard to trace which camera uses which components.

As such, only new shipments are having the larger transmission picture sizes.


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Anthony,

Please correct me if I'm wrong here (you can check IPs and such), but our friend Scoutguard_QA here seems suspiciously like geographer who was posing as and end user over on the QDMA trail camera forum.

Here is the thread where he was outed: http://www.qdma.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46342

Just be sure who you are dealing with!

I think we have a self-licking ice cream cone here :mrgreen:

You're probably in the ballpark no doubt. At least we are identifying ourselves this time....

IP traces back to San Mateo, CA which is 25 miles from Cupertino, CA....the home of the.... ACORN CAMPUS.

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