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By rgilley
#263302
I planted a small food plot with Tractor Supply Plotspike Forage Feast last fall. It came up really well and the deer used it a lot. I was thinking of disking it up and putting in some spring summer clover mix. But the Plotspike Forage Feast has grown into a lush green field with a lot of redtop clover and the deer are hammering it right now. My question is, would ya'll just mow this later on when it seeds out....fertilize it, lime it according to the soil sample I will send off and not replant this fall. Our winters are not so harsh, so we keep some green most of the year. OR, should I mow it about 8 inches high now...throw out some lime and fertilizer or wait until it seeds? OR, would ya'll overseed it now with the different clover, chicory commercial mix? , Thanks in advance. You can see what I am speaking of in this picture, hard to see much of the clover, but its there.

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By Ol Arky
#263306
I ain't no food plot guy but it appears to me the deer and turkey both like what ya got pretty good... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
By yoderj@cox.net
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Don't plant perennial clover in the spring, especially in the south. You will be dealing with many more weed issues than if you wait and plant clover in the fall with a cereal grain cover crop.

I don't know what kind of clover is in plotspike but I would guess it is an annual clover. Many annual reseeding clovers will reseed in NC.

As for maintenance, wait until the plot hits about 12" and then mow it back to 6"-8". Each time it hits a foot, do the same.

Take a look at it in the fall. If it is doing well, you might just see how it does next spring. If you want a perennial clover plot, in NC, I'd recommend Durana clover with Winter Rye as a cover crop. Go with about 10 lbs/ac cover and about 50 lbs/ac WR. Durana is a fairly expensive clover and it is slow to establish, but once established, it is both very persistent and drought resistant. I am now using it exclusively on my place in VA for my perennial clover plots. The best place I have found on price is Poudre Valley Coop (ask for Harvey). I bought a 25 lb bag for $125 including shipping to VA. That was the best price I could find.

The WR will be your attractant during the fall planted and you won't see a lot of clover growth. The spring after planting, mow each time the field hit a foot as described above. The WR has an allelopathic effect on weeds so I don't like to spray it like some. Instead, I just keep it mowed to release the Durana and let it die on its own come summer. By fall, you will have a lush Durana plot.

Good Luck,

Jack
By wewilley
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i live in nc [south east] also use the clover mix durano with osceola clover and mix in chicory its a broad leaf plant they like and the clover and chicory do very well together if you plant clover its best to get rid of all grasses i get my seed from
http://www.deerseeds.com/
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By bowhtr1
#263386
If that is all I had to plant then I would leave it and overseed with Jointvetch. After the heat takes its toll on this plot the joinvetch will come on strong and last all summer with over 24% protein. The hotter it is the more they like it. I would also lime and fertilize as needed.
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By rgilley
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thanks all....I think I will mow it...see how its doing later...my soil test ought to be back in about 2 months...then I will be set this fall to most likely put in some Durana in this plot.
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By hazelvillebucks
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thanks all....I think I will mow it...see how its doing later...my soil test ought to be back in about 2 months...then I will be set this fall to most likely put in some Durana in this plot.

i think yoder about covered everything, if weeds become a problem mow, but if you are able to let it go to seed then all it would take would be a light disking to do it all over again. when i am hungry i love a buffet. after your mix goes to seed you will have the seed in the seed bank, even if you do something different some should come up. the advantage of having a variety of plants is that different ones will be preferred at different times . it looks like your deer are liking what you have offered. Yoder i found a local Amish dealer that will sale a pound of durano for 5 dollars and he said that if one bought more it would be cheaper. i am going to check on the price for a hundred lbs plus.
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By rgilley
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By rgilley
#263814
I don't know what kind of clover is in plotspike but I would guess it is an annual clover. Many annual reseeding clovers will reseed in NC.

Jack it is without a doubt Dixie Crimson red clover...with all the red tops that came out..exact match. Thanks Rick
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By MI Hunter
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thanks all....I think I will mow it...see how its doing later...my soil test ought to be back in about 2 months...then I will be set this fall to most likely put in some Durana in this plot.


Not sure who you are doing your soil test but I've used Biologic before:

http://www.plantbiologic.com/t-soil.aspx

fairly inexpensive and they email you the results in PDF format.
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By hazelvillebucks
#263926
Is this the same seed ya'll are speaking of or is this a blend?

http://www.homedepot.com/p/5-lb-Rackmas ... YJYxbXvu24
http://www.amazon.com/Pennington-Rackma ... B009AORKBY

the durano clover from pennington is a improved variety ladino clover that is worth the extra cost when it can be bought for 5 dollars or less a pound it should be bought.
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By rgilley
#263966
thanks all....I think I will mow it...see how its doing later...my soil test ought to be back in about 2 months...then I will be set this fall to most likely put in some Durana in this plot.


Not sure who you are doing your soil test but I've used Biologic before:

http://www.plantbiologic.com/t-soil.aspx

fairly inexpensive and they email you the results in PDF format.


our state does ours free....it just takes a little while. thanks for the link...good to know if I need one quicker
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By rgilley
#263967
Is this the same seed ya'll are speaking of or is this a blend?

http://www.homedepot.com/p/5-lb-Rackmas ... YJYxbXvu24
http://www.amazon.com/Pennington-Rackma ... B009AORKBY

the durano clover from pennington is a improved variety ladino clover that is worth the extra cost when it can be bought for 5 dollars or less a pound it should be bought.



thanks hazelbuck
By yoderj@cox.net
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Is this the same seed ya'll are speaking of or is this a blend?

http://www.homedepot.com/p/5-lb-Rackmas ... YJYxbXvu24
http://www.amazon.com/Pennington-Rackma ... B009AORKBY

the durano clover from pennington is a improved variety ladino clover that is worth the extra cost when it can be bought for 5 dollars or less a pound it should be bought.


That is the right stuff Rick but the price is outrageous. You can buy a 25 lb bag from Poudre Valley Coop for $125 with shipping included. That is the $5/lb that Hazelvillebucks is referring to. I have not found a better price anywhere. Ask for Harvey when you call. They do have a web site but don't sell on-line. I'm not sure if that $5/lb for a 25 lb bag is for everyone or just for QDM folks. I originally got the contact info from the QDM forums.

Dixie Crimson Clover is one of the components I use for cover crops. It is great. It does reseed itself in central VA and I'm sure it does in NC. It is beautiful when in bloom and deer love it.

When I reclaim old logging decks with the top soil removed, I use a two year cycle of buckwheat double cropped in the spring followed by winter rye, GHR, and Crimson Clover in the fall. In the second year, I use Durana instead of crimson and then keep the field as a perennial clover field for 5 to 8 years.

I just finished mowing one of the decks today. I had used WR, Durana, and GHR last fall. After mowing the WR, I found I have about 70% Crimson and 30% Durana. The crimson from the previous year had reseeded itself. No worries, the Durana will eventually out-compete the Crimson and slowly take over the field.

If you let the crimson go into bloom (probably already has) and keep it mowed as needed, if you disk and plant Durana and winter rye in the fall, you will likely end up with a nice mixed plot next spring that eventually will become a Durana plot.

Thanks,

Jack

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